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Old 01-11-2011, 08:51 AM
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Random questions about B5

Hi, I started from the begining again watching B5. I'm not sure at all how many times it is, but it's the 4th since I bought the DVDs. I wore most of my tapes out from when it was on. I'm got a few questions about minor things that I was just going to throw out there. Bear in mind please that I do not have the script books and I have read but not memorized the Lurkers guide.

I'd also like anyone that has any questions to join in, I like discussion about little details and B5 so full of them, a great deal of thought an effort was put into this show. Little things can really stand out.

One thing I really like is my cousin bought me The Gathering on VHS so I have the new version and the original version. It's fun to pause the DVD and watch the tape and back.

Are those little red triangle shaped ships supposed to be the fighters? There were no Cobra bays on the original struts I noticed, but they really didn't mention fighters in the story except for Sinclair's recurring memories. I thought they might have been an artifact from the pilot but I saw them again in a 1st season episode, but I can't remember which one, around the 4th one.


Could that nasty Mimbari been a Windsword? I know it doesn't really matter, but, just a thought. Maybe Deathwalker made the poison.

I kind of liked some of the aliens that got cut out, but I understand why they were. What I didn't like was the scene where Sinclair said hot alien chick eats their mate afterward? That struck me as such a throw away scene, maybe the only really throw away that I'd really like thrown away.
I'm sure someone else can think of others through the series and please do mention them if you'd like, but I really can't.

Now, help me here please, but Laurel was somehow part of the conspiracy to get rid of Sinclair with G'kar and the assassin? I know this is more of a plot question than a random question.


Off of The Gathering, in at least 2 first season episodes I saw Delenn's fingernails and they had a neat little polish of silver in a half moon and line up the middle. (I'm not describing it well, sorry) Did anyone else wonder if it was supposed to be nail polish/paint or did Mimbari have these colors on their nails? Her friend, the poet, had hers painted the same way. It is a very small detail, but it's visible and they were really neat looking. When Morden talks to Delenn for the first, only time she puts her hand on her forehead to cover her triangle (?) and you can see her nails. I don't know what the triangle was about, either. It seemed like some of the Grey Council had them.

There's lots more where these came from but my mind is a very chaotic place. I had this nice vision of watching an episode and then remembering my question(s) and posting in order. Then life hit me and here I am a month and a half later trying to remember things. Please include any questions of your own.
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Old 01-11-2011, 09:30 AM
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Not a full answer here but I do know what you mean about Delenn's (and her friend's) fingernails. I've always thought that it was a Minbari custom, much like the way they dressed similarly but I don't have anything to back that up. I did notice that that style was gone once Delenn came out of the Chrysalis.

Cool thread, by the way.

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:04 PM
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I know what you mean about the triangle, it was a neat touch but they never seemed to cover it again. It would have been nice if they had. Also would have like to have seen more of Delenn's assassin's weapons which she put on her fingers!!

I have two questions:

Are the Shadow's non-corporeal, as they always hang around with Morden, yet he gets really close to people! Where are they, have they gone for a cuppa, are they shopping in the Zocalo?

Still not clear on how the assassin (really hope I'm spelling that word right!) got the poison into Kosh in the pilot. Ah yes, he shook his hand....hold up, he shook his hand?!?!
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:36 PM
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Still not clear on how the assassin (really hope I'm spelling that word right!) got the poison into Kosh in the pilot. Ah yes, he shook his hand....hold up, he shook his hand?!?!
I know what you're saying but think for a minute. Kosh held Sheridan's hands as he guided him down from the exploded core shuttle, didn't he? Vorlons could obviously be corporeal or non-corporeal by choice.

Which might be the case for the Shadows, too, but I'd have to look into it further.

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:43 PM
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Thanks, Jan! Sorry I took so long.

The Minbari seem to choose their caste, but the Warriors tend to have sharper crests and the religous caste smoother. That could just be asthetics, but does it have something more to it?


I can just see the Shadows going along with shopping bags over their arms, walking up the corridor in the Zocalo.

I think they can turn non-corporial at will, kind of like a ghost. Actually that's dumb, what can a ghost do. I think somehow they can just control the actual substance of their bodies, they can be almost gaseous in nature yet not be detectable, walk through small spaces, not get blown away by wind currents, almost like they are in another dimension. My answer gets more confusing as it goes. D'oh!
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:58 PM
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Ah yeah, happy with the Kosh projections and that, it just seems odd that he would shake Sinclair's hand when he / they were so unwilling to show themselves. I'm just being picky I'm actually happy there's still a mystery about it, its like life, not everything is easily explained. Keeps us on our toes

Ha ha, I've now got a mental image of Shadow's wearing shades and a sombrero after coming back from holiday!

Actually that description works for me! I remember playing Castlevania: Symphony of the night and the main character Alucard could transform into a cloud of smoke, a bat etc, and it reminds me of that slightly, in a 'its not the same at all' kinda way! I know what you mean tho, so I'll go with what you said

As for the Minbari, I noticed that too and took it to mean their caste. Wonder if it went further, if any of their bones altered after they chose their clan?

New question, and its probably because I haven't watched S5 for ages, but is B5 still independent when Lochley takes over? Just I would have thought security personnel uniforms would have changed back to EA when she took over, unless it wasn't directly under Earth control
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Old 01-12-2011, 06:26 AM
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New question, and its probably because I haven't watched S5 for ages, but is B5 still independent when Lochley takes over? Just I would have thought security personnel uniforms would have changed back to EA when she took over, unless it wasn't directly under Earth control
As I recall, there's some question about that still open. There's a line somewhere about B5 still being run by EA pending the possibility of the ISA buying it but then it seemed the idea was dropped. If it's the scene I'm thinking of, it was part of an ISN broadcast so they may not have had their facts straight.

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Old 01-16-2011, 06:29 PM
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Are those little red triangle shaped ships supposed to be the fighters? There were no Cobra bays on the original struts I noticed, but they really didn't mention fighters in the story except for Sinclair's recurring memories. I thought they might have been an artifact from the pilot but I saw them again in a 1st season episode, but I can't remember which one, around the 4th one.
Don't remember what this refers to in the pilot, but the Raider fighters were triangles in the first season.

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Could that nasty Mimbari been a Windsword? I know it doesn't really matter, but, just a thought.
He was.

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Now, help me here please, but Laurel was somehow part of the conspiracy to get rid of Sinclair with G'kar and the assassin?
If you look carefully, you can see her access code being used at one point on a door lock, and she was the one who stopped Sinclair in the tube and edited the logs to remove that information. She likely had an implanted personality like Talia; remember that she was stationed on Mars at one point (that's where Talia was altered as shown in the comics).

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When Morden talks to Delenn for the first, only time she puts her hand on her forehead to cover her triangle (?) and you can see her nails. I don't know what the triangle was about, either. It seemed like some of the Grey Council had them.
It is a Grey Council device, to detect Shadows.

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As I recall, there's some question about that still open. There's a line somewhere about B5 still being run by EA pending the possibility of the ISA buying it but then it seemed the idea was dropped
Sheridan's the one who mentioned that in No Compromises. It's possible the ISA did buy it and then gave it back when they decided to have headquarters on Minbar; in Sleeping in Light, Nils mentions that the EA only took control of B5 back a few years prior to 2281.
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Old 01-21-2011, 07:07 AM
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Thanks JoeD80! I never thought about Laurel having a "Control" personality!


I'm familiar with the season one raiders, they were biege and were wide flat looking triangle, these were red and longer than wide and not too big. They're in the unaltered pilot and I think episode 4 of the first season reused the shot as mostly an exterior view but they streaked past in it.
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If your thinking of these things
http://www.themadgoner.com/B5/B5Scro...#Screen5_07_12

then I don’t believe they were meant to be fighters (at least not attached to the station). *One* idea kicking around at the time of the pilot movie was that B5 could possibly have some sort of defensive ship (bigger than a fighter) berthed somewhere around the ass end of the station.

http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-7647&

(I’m guessing the captain/pilot had enough sense not to get involved when the Vorlons turned up in the movie). The use of fighters (Starfuries with the cobra bays) didn’t come into being until after the pilot movie.

http://www.themadgoner.com/B5/B5Scro...m#Screen1_01_4
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:22 AM
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I've never seen that first site you posted Triple F, but thanks for sticking that on there, its hilarious
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:27 AM
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I have a question from "Dust to Dust"

G'kar is going through Londo's memories and he's had enough, then hears and sees the image of his father. Was Kosh making him remember his father?
Then G'kar turns around and speaks to another older Narn. Was he a depiction of G'quan?

It really didn't look like his father and G'kar didn't act like it was his father down from the tree. I'm sure this must have been Kosh speaking to him although he doesn't actually seem to see Kosh until right after when he (Kosh) again appears to be G'lan. When Garibaldi offered the Book of G'quan back to G'kar he said he is somewhat closer to the source, so that would seem to me that the second Narn was G'quan, maybe.

Also, I know this is probably in the script books but I don't have them, so, I'm sorry if I'm ignorant.

One aside about the script books: I can't afford them, that's a given, but as much as my curiosity about them is I don't think I want to read them anymore, some of the commentaries on the dvds and websites I've read kind of hurt the story for me. Not much, but after looking at the above website about the ships and then watching "Voices of Authority" I couldn't quite get past that, 1) the ship strongly resembled the Close Encounters ship, which I never noticed before reading it, 2) I could see that they WERE foot bones and couldn't stop noticing it. What went from a really marvelous thing into a so so thing bothered me. I still enjoyed it but I don't want to find anything else out, I don't want too much reality intruding into my story and turning it into just a TV show. I'm sorry if this sounds stupid.
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