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Old 04-29-2017, 08:57 PM
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Marcus Cole

Okay so I searched and I didn't find a thread for this specific character so I am starting one. Feel free to say whatever you want about him, just like I am about to do.

I freely admit that Marcus has never been one of my favorite characters. I have always found him to be too all over the place. One minute he is this kind of virgin warrior priest ninja and the next he is a singing and dancing clown. Well thanks to Shan'waia I had a bit of a Marcus epiphany.

So I discovered that I may have been looking at Marcus in a flawed light. I think my impression of The Rangers has been skewed by the Minbari perspective. I think the show has presented The Rangers as this covert organization of stereotypical Spiritual Ninjas when it comes to the training and how the Minbari see them. With this structure in mind it always made Marcus seem all over the place to me. I was putting him in the wrong category. Sure he had that training, but all the spiritual warrior stuff was just a part of the training. The reality was he was more of an infiltrator and chameleon. Now that I started looking at Marcus as someone who is an expert at blending in and dealing with situations on the fly I see more merit in the character and justification for him bouncing from one end of the character spectrum to the other. I know I have tried to think about him in this chameleon way in the past, but then I watch him versus some of the Minbari and it falls apart. Somehow talking about the fact that not all Ranger uniforms are the same with Shan'waia triggered this justification in my head for him not being the same as some of your hardcore Anla'Shok. And the more I think about it the angrier I get. But seriously, thinking in these terms makes me want to have seen more of his story.

Okay so I know many of you are probably saying, "Duh Looney", but you can't hurt my feelings. lol That is what I love about Babylon 5. I can always find new things. Now I need to work more on loving Byron.
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Old 04-30-2017, 03:13 AM
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Nah, I totally get where you are coming from. Marcus was never a fav of mine either, but the character is quite fun. A lot of it is probably where JMS' and my sense of humour don't quite connect. Same with Ivanova's 'funny' lines, they make me cringe most of the time! Heh.

However, I like this perspective. All is in the eye of the beholder.
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:34 AM
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Same with Ivanova's 'funny' lines, they make me cringe most of the time! Heh.
Okay, but the line in my signature, "I'll be in the car.", is probably one of the, if not the, funniest in the series. Tell me you laughed. I was rolling on the floor.
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Okay, but the line in my signature, "I'll be in the car.", is probably one of the, if not the, funniest in the series. Tell me you laughed. I was rolling on the floor.
I really really didn't get that. Sorry. Much Ivanova humor left me cold, though I could sort of appreciate the 'sex scene'.

As for Marcus, I liked him a lot. Sure, he was a martyrdom waiting to happen but he did a nice job of portraying somebody with the determination to always fulfill his mission with an outlook to enjoy life while he could and still look at the world kind of sideways.

I'm not sure how good of an infiltrator/chameleon Marcus would have been, though I can see how others of the Rangers might have been. Marcus' personality was pretty large to blend in quietly.
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:28 AM
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I really really didn't get that. Sorry. Much Ivanova humor left me cold, though I could sort of appreciate the 'sex scene'.
The line is just so perfectly real. Delenn has just finished explaining this VERY serious situation and Ivanova throws out this completely sarcastic tension breaker. It is also telling for her character because it is her throwing out a defense mechanism against what she has just heard. She is struggling get past her disbelief and this great line pops out of her mouth.

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I'm not sure how good of an infiltrator/chameleon Marcus would have been, though I can see how others of the Rangers might have been. Marcus' personality was pretty large to blend in quietly.
I didn't say he always needed to "blend in quietly." I guess the phrase "blend in" might give the wrong impression. Adapting might be a better word. He needed to get information. He didn't always need to go unnoticed. Quite the contrary, many of his situations called for him to be noticed. He needed people to talk to him and give him information. That doesn't always happen when you blend in. I guess what I meant to say is that he needed to be able to adapt to situations in order to get people to give him information he could assess and pass on. I think my problem with him before was that the way The Rangers are presented is in a manner that seems to suggest we are supposed to think they are meant to blend in quietly. Well that is not Marcus and I guess the reality is that wouldn't always be the best way for him to get his job done. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he can blend in and sneak around with the best of them, but that would not always be the way he could get the information he needed. And I think that overall stereotype I put on them kind of doesn't entirely fit the Ranger way. They have to get things done and being Spiritual Ninja Lords of Stealth isn't always the way to get the job done. I am thinking of Brother Alwyn Macomber (Roy Brocksmith) in Deconstruction of Falling Stars, 4.22. His whole Ranger life was undercover intelligence gathering. Yes he had to blend in and be secretive, but he also had to put out a persona that got people to talk to him and bring him information.

Side Note: I knew Roy Brocksmith passed away some time ago, 2001. What I did not know was that he was born in Quincy, Illinois, a little more than fifty miles away from where I am sitting while I type this.
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I love Marcus very, very much. His sense of humour is basically exactly the same as mine.
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