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Old 01-02-2018, 07:34 AM
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Old 01-02-2018, 10:51 AM
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:18 PM
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I saw it opening weekend and while I didn't hate it like so many others, I certainly didn't love it either. For me it was kind of meh...

There are aspects I loved in the movie In no particular order:

The Hyperspace ramming
Luke's appearance on Crait and his sacrifice.
The Throne room fight against Snoke's guards
Rey not being related to anyone. IMO the SW universe was getting a bit too small with everyone related/connected to someone. I think that started with 3PO being built by Anakin. He should have just been another droid from the factory.


Subsequently I also hated a few things:

The Stupid Humor (Poe's on hold with Hux was a prime example of this, It felt far to contemporary and Earth bound)
The fact this started right where EP VII ended.
The OJ Space chase. This should have been over very quickly in the First Order's favor.
Leia Poppins
The Blue Milk creatures/the caretakers on the Island


To me the biggest issue is the obvious fact that Lucasfilm has/had no overarching vision for this trilogy. It all seems so Ad-Hoc.

Say what you want about Lucas and the prequels, At least it was a singular vision. The OT had less of one when it started, but by the time of ESB, I think Lucas had a better idea of how he wanted the story to go, if not in detail, then at least in broad strokes.

The prequels, while not what everyone wanted/expected to see at least had a concept behind them, and guiding force who knew where it was going.

When Disney bought Lucasfilm I told my friends and family that they were going to pump out movies till we were sick of them. It used to be that Star Wars movies were special events. Now they're a commodity, and I think a lot of the magic about them has vanished. They no longer instill the sense of wonder that they used to. Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon.

IOW how the last movie in this trilogy will handle Carrie Fisher's death. Seems like the last movie would have been her's to own.
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Old 01-03-2018, 12:40 AM
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IOW how the last movie in this trilogy will handle Carrie Fisher's death. Seems like the last movie would have been her's to own.

I really wish she had been the one to make the hyperspace ram at the end, but that would have been hard to ret-con after she passed. I could have been done with some clever editing / CGI perhaps.

Or if they'd been really brave, that space walk would have been the end of it. That would have been an emotional opener for sure.
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Or if they'd been really brave, that
space walk
would have been the end of it. That would have been an emotional opener for sure.
At first I thought that would be how they addressed Carrie Fisher's death in the series. But she had a lot of scenes after that in the finished film, so they would have had to either cut those, or significantly restructure the edit.

It didn't take long for the inevitable parody video to be posted on Youtube.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:23 PM
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Since Disney already indicated that they would not digitize Carrie Fisher for Episode 9, it will be interesting to see how they do that movie.

I do agree with the above comment "Say what you want about Lucas and the prequels, At least it was a singular vision."

This goes back to my point about JMS. I firmly believe that why Babylon 5 worked so well as a continuing story was because it had a single straight forward vision and JMS realized early on, that in order to preserve that vision, he had to do the vast majority of the writing himself.

With Star Wars the way it is right now, there are too many proverbial fingers and different conflicting visions in the pot.

I'll be honest in that I'm not looking forward to Episode 9 because JJ Abrams is writing and directing. I for one do not want to see a remake of Return of The Jedi.

However, if Rian Johnson writes and directs all three movies of the pending new trilogy, then there's a higher chance that the new trilogy will have a clearer vision.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:47 PM
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However, if Rian Johnson writes and directs all three movies of the pending new trilogy, then there's a higher chance that the new trilogy will have a clearer vision.
Clearer, but not necessarily better. After being burned with "The Last Jedi", I'm going to avoid any Star Wars films that have Rian Johnson's name in the credits. I don't care if he's the director, writer, producer, executive producer, or key grip. If his name is on it, I'm not paying to see it.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:42 PM
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Clearer, but not necessarily better. After being burned with "The Last Jedi", I'm going to avoid any Star Wars films that have Rian Johnson's name in the credits. I don't care if he's the director, writer, producer, executive producer, or key grip. If his name is on it, I'm not paying to see it.
In the grand scheme of things, I really don't feel Last Jedi was THAT bad. I had fun watching it and that's really all I'm fussed about. I like Star Wars, but I don't LOVE it. Almost all my fav SF fanschises have big flaws, plot holes, patchy acting, ropey dialigue but they entertain me. B5 has delivered some utter dreck too, but I still enjoy it as a whole.
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I'll be honest in that I'm not looking forward to Episode 9 because JJ Abrams is writing and directing. I for one do not want to see a remake of Return of The Jedi.
I don't think that's likely. It seemed like TLJ intentionally pulled from both Empire and Jedi to cover all that material already. There's really only one piece of ROTJ that isn't a bunch of MacGuffin action, and they already did it in TLJ with their own twist. They've set things up to go in a completely new direction, and it would be really strange for them to go down a similar path now.
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In the grand scheme of things, I really don't feel Last Jedi was THAT bad.
I recently found this video which includes some of my initial complaints and adds even more. A good watch if you don't mind sarcasm and profanity.
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I recently found this video which includes some of my initial complaints and adds even more. A good watch if you don't mind sarcasm and profanity.
Wow, that's quite a rant, and I realise much of is exaggerated for humorous effect. A lot of it is on point. However, I gotta admit, I am really sick of the 'Mary Sue' thing with regards Rey. The comic book writer Anthony Johnston put it really well when discussing this meme image on FB, so quoting him below:



"It's an insult, not a criticism — and the point here is that in this case (and, frankly, many cases) it's aimed entirely at Rey, simply because she's a woman in what many horribly insecure men deem to be a movie aimed at them.

The writing is actually fine, and the point of this graphic is to show that Rey's abilities are no different to all the male protagonists (and even antagonist) who came before her... and yet none of the people complaining about Rey had any problem whatsoever with their incredible and supposedly unearned competence".

I do kinda agree with the point he has on strange new force powers.
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However, I gotta admit, I am really sick of the 'Mary Sue' thing with regards Rey. The comic book writer Anthony Johnston put it really well:

"It's an insult, not a criticism — and the point here is that in this case (and, frankly, many cases) it's aimed entirely at Rey, simply because she's a woman in what many horribly insecure men deem to be a movie aimed at them.

The writing is actually fine, and the point of this graphic is to show that Rey's abilities are no different to all the male protagonists (and even antagonist) who came before her... and yet none of the people complaining about Rey had any problem whatsoever with their incredible and supposedly unearned competence".
That is a good point. Rey being a "Mary Sue" was not one of my complaints with "The Last Jedi". I would actually say this insult/criticism was more relevant to "The Force Awakens".

As you will recall, my biggest beefs included #7 "Force Powers" and #2 "Destroy Luke's Story". I also had a problem with #5 "Pointless Characters", specifically the entire casino planet subplot.
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:12 PM
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That is a good point. Rey being a "Mary Sue" was not one of my complaints with "The Last Jedi". I would actually say this insult/criticism was more relevant to "The Force Awakens".

As you will recall, my biggest beefs included #7 "Force Powers" and #2 "Destroy Luke's Story". I also had a problem with #5 "Pointless Characters", specifically the entire casino planet subplot.
I can't really refute any of that. They're valid issues.
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