"Before Watchmen" - SPOILERS

[Jan]

Post from JMS:

For a hidden preview of Before Watchmen art go here and click on "punks" mid-article: http://www.dccomics.com/watchmen/new-frontiersman

I saw some of this at C2E2 and it looked really good even though I had a lousy seat for the panel.

Jan

[Jan]

I've posted the entirety of this JMS facebook post up in the 'interesting posts' thread because I think it's excellent information for anyone breaking into pretty much any business. This post is a response from JMS regarding some outrage over something he said at the C2E2 convention:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/permalin...39652459402959

And because I've seen him mis-quoted in a few places, let me assure you that what JMS quotes himself as saying *is* what he said-I was there.

Jan

[Jan]

A great example of a poster getting a far more civil reply than he deserves:

...The question for JMS is not whether people have or have not been screwed before, but whether you, JMS, want to sign on to screwing over Alan Moore right now.

Are you an artist, or are you a scab? We all know how you've answered that question. The rest is just hand waving.

Originally Posted by Fans of J. Michael Straczynski

...leaving aside whether or not you can have a conversation without resorting to name calling...here’s where this conversation becomes circular and impossible to win or discuss logically. It always ends up going something like this.

DC is stealing these characters from Alan!

Actually, DC owns the characters, so it’s legal.

That’s not the point! The creator of those characters wouldn’t want them used! They were made to be finite!

You mean like the Invisible Man and Jekyll and Hyde were meant to be finite.

That’s different! Alan can use those characters because they’re public domain!

Because they’re public domain, so it’s legal.

That’s right! That’s the point!

Even though the creators wouldn’t want them used in this way?

They’re dead, fuck ‘em! He has the legal right to use them if he wants to!

You mean just like DC has the legal right to use the Watchmen characters.

That’s not the point!

And we circle back to where we started....

[SmileOfTheShadow]

Originally Posted by Jan

A great example of a poster getting a far more civil reply than he deserves:

Yup, that's been about the entire argument I've seen summed up. I've seen some of the pencil art for the books and it's pretty phenomenal stuff. DC really has put a good group working on this and they seem really passionate about making the books good. And DC owns the books. If someone doesn't want more watchmen - don't buy it. I just wish George Lucas would give the option to buy just the IV-VI blu rays!

[David Panzer]

I agree that what artwork has come out for it looks great, but I've already stated how the entire project hasn't convinced me to climb on board.

And comics from the 90s showed me that artwork alone doesn't make a good comic.

[SmileOfTheShadow]

Originally Posted by WillieStealAndHow

I agree that what artwork has come out for it looks great, but I've already stated how the entire project hasn't convinced me to climb on board.

And comics from the 90s showed me that artwork alone doesn't make a good comic.

What about good artwork + Joe Straczynski writing?

[David Panzer]

I'm still passing.

[JoeD80]

Reviews by those lucky enough to be invited to DC's sneak preview of the works-in-progress have been posted here and there. Here's one:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=38731

[Jan]

JMS posted a link to some preview pages for the first issue coming out this week:

http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/958...5c07uacje4f90u

Jan

[JoeD80]

I read Minutemen #1. I liked the beginning pages where the comic turns around the opening narration as something the character is working with and that he doesn't like himself. The art is good at creating an atmosphere that seems appropriate to the story. It held my attention enough to think that issue #2 will go somewhere interesting, but since it introduces every minutemen character it doesn't really have time to settle down on any particular path in this issue.

[Jan]

Here's a link JMS posted with some preview pages for the first Silk Spectre issue:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/...ectre-no-1/#/1

Jan

[SmileOfTheShadow]

Originally Posted by JoeD80

I read Minutemen #1. I liked the beginning pages where the comic turns around the opening narration as something the character is working with and that he doesn't like himself. The art is good at creating an atmosphere that seems appropriate to the story. It held my attention enough to think that issue #2 will go somewhere interesting, but since it introduces every minutemen character it doesn't really have time to settle down on any particular path in this issue.

The art was nice, but I felt the story left something to be desired. A disjointed telling of a few origin stories in a couple pages with no real direction for it. Like you mentioned, I hope issue 2 takes it somewhere.

[JoeD80]

Anyone read Silk Spectre yet? Something I just like about Amanda Conner, but I can't quite articulate what it is. Good setup connecting back to the Minutemen Silk Spectre and showing where her daughter's motivations are in this. Looking forward to the rest of this one. Tomorrow Comedian #1 comes out (Brian Azzarello) and next week is JMS' Nite Owl.

[Jan]

Originally Posted by JoeD80

Anyone read Silk Spectre yet? Something I just like about Amanda Conner, but I can't quite articulate what it is. Good setup connecting back to the Minutemen Silk Spectre and showing where her daughter's motivations are in this. Looking forward to the rest of this one. Tomorrow Comedian #1 comes out (Brian Azzarello) and next week is JMS' Nite Owl.

Not yet. I picked up the first couple but haven't had a chance to read them yet. JMS posted a reminder that his first Night Owl comes out on Wed. and posted a link to the cover of his #3:

http://media.dcentertainment.com/sit..._NITEOWL_3.jpg

For some reason I'd thought that once each mini had begun, the rest would follow weekly but he corrected me:

No, the weekly rotation between the titles means that only my first issue will be out before SDCC. After me comes Rorschach and Ozymandius, then my second issue hits August 1st. My first Dr. Manhattan comes out on, I believe, August 22.

Jan

[Jan]

JMS just linked to preview pages for tomorrow's release of Night Owl #1

http://www.buzzcomics.net/showpost.p...23&postcount=1

Jan