The Rampant, Irresponsible Hippy Thread

[frulad]

Originally Posted by Der Mike

Random, empty sex has ruined relationships.

Well, having been in relationships that run the gamut between random, empty sex and deeply meaningful sexual relationships, I find you to be wrong here. Perhaps you're not trying hard enough and are projecting your relationship problems here. (Though I'm no psychologist...)

More power to him. A doctor shouldn't be required to do something he feels is legitimately wrong.

Then honestly, he shouldn't have become a doctor. Doctors are bound by the ethics of their profession to provide care for all, regardless of their own personal belief. I don't want to go back to the story of how the man who discovered blood-typing bled to death in a Southern hospital because it was a "whites only" hospital and he was black. If you have a problem with the job, quit.

[Jan]

Then honestly, he shouldn't have become a doctor. Doctors are bound by the ethics of their profession to provide care for all, regardless of their own personal belief. I don't want to go back to the story of how the man who discovered blood-typing bled to death in a Southern hospital because it was a "whites only" hospital and he was black. If you have a problem with the job, quit.

I wouldn't even go that far, especially as this particular Dr. was probably practicing long before the Pill came along. He *should* however, have made his limitations clear before conducting the exam since it was plainly noted on his own form what it was I was there for. But yeah as time went on, I hope he specialized in obstetrics if his conscience wouldn't allow him to prescribe an effective form of birth control. I never found out why he didn't 'believe' in it as the conversation went something along the lines of: "I don't believe in the Pill." "Fine, I don't believe in paying any bill you present." and I never got one, either.

Originally Posted by DerMike

Teenage pregnancy? Seems to be a bit of a problem nowadays. It's because two parents are in so few children's lives.

Teen pregnancy has *always* been a problem. At least judging from the fact that I have a half sister we never knew about until after my mother's death and the several high school freshmen who were pregnant in my class almost 40 years ago. As long as there are myths that you can't get pregnant the first time and no effective means of sexual education in schools, it'll be that way.

As for the effects of not having two parents in children's lives, why not blame no-fault divorce laws instead of the hippy movement?

Jan

[Der Mike]

Originally Posted by frulad

You have heard of Ann Coulter, right?

It wasn't due to them dissenting.

[Dr Maturin]

Let's remember WHO was saying "traitor" and "un-American" in the 2004 campaign. It was the Democrat party.

[Harrdy]

I am an outsider, so I cannot see the full picture. But I can say how america is seen in a foreign country. We see a deeply shizoid country, there where the Founding Fathers had good and rich ideas, but they are today forgotten, or at least it seems that way from here. There was an "attack", and suddently the whole behemoth moved in a different direction. Maybe it was moving before, but we didn't see/feel it. But then suddently there where news after news and people began to change their opinion.

Less than ten years ago america was something "holy", you didn't speak bad of them. After all, they freed us from bad Hitler (who was from austria, by the way). They helped us after the war (even as I know today there was a significant stratetical value to it). They brought us Television (at least many channels), Movies (Hollywood), Music (Rock&Roll), SPACE! (jeah, riding the rocket to the sky!!) and so on. America was great. Right after the war until ten years ago there was the american culture taking over, but nobody cared. I thought in school that one day the whole world would be one day "America". And let's not forget, europe thought america would help them against the big bad UDSSR.

But then two trends began to emerge. First there is growing concern about global investment. A *lot* of small companies close down, and here in austria more than 3/4 of all workplaces are small business places. With the founding of a united europe there was for the first time a different future possible (contrary to "united earth states under america"). But sadly the european union began to move towards the same goals as the - now considered at least partly bad - big player (USA). "The economy, stupid". The neoconservative voice grew louder, and most people here think that the neoconservative idea stems from the USA. That might be wrong, but first we heard it in the News (about the US), and then our own leaders repeat it. So the connection was easy.

The second trend was the unilaterism (sp?) of the United States. It's like in school, if somebody bullies everybody he splits the class. The one half is right behind the bullie, "friends" with him. The other half is on the run, trying to avoid him. But it gets near impossible to meld the class again, until the bullie stopy bulliing or he gets removed. And the same trend shows in global politics today. There was no need to say: "Who isn't with us is against us", the actions came by itself. Maybe there is no interrest in a united world, maybe the goal was to far away. Maybe we have forgotten to dream of a better future. Maybe there is no utopia left. But it damn feels like there is no hope left, and without hope there is only death.

Jup, there are much more views and opinions, I could write on and on... but then again, all that because of one small sentence?

Let's remember WHO was saying "traitor" and "un-American" in the 2004 campaign. It was the Democrat party.

I just wanted to point out one little idea. America was considered "good" about ten years ago (and before, regardless which party was in power!), now it is on par with North Korea, Israel, China. Just another power drunk country. And that might be unfair, but it is what most people here think.

PeAcE

[frulad]

Interesting prespective Harrdy. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Dr Maturin]

I just wanted to point out one little idea. America was considered "good" about ten years ago (and before, regardless which party was in power!), now it is on par with North Korea, Israel, China. Just another power drunk country.

Better than being plain drunk, I guess...

[Karachi Vyce]

Time to quote Flair, ZHD.

"You may not LIKE it......but you will learn to LOVE it! Why? Bottom line: we are, the best thing going today."

WHOOOO!

*holds up four fingers*

We need someone else here, ZHD, you, me and Mike only make three. Let's convince Marney to come here and sit back and watch the entire board melt into oblivion the second she really gets aggravated.

[Dr Maturin]

Marney would be banned within one hour.

[Karachi Vyce]

Originally Posted by Z'ha'dumDweller

Marney would be banned within one hour.

That's why I love her. Heart and soul.

[Dr Maturin]

I love her because she's hawt and I can't have her.

[Karachi Vyce]

I have a fantasy about Marney. I wonder if I should post it here. LSD, baby.

[Dr Maturin]

Does it involve kicking back with a beer and enjoying the show?

[Harrdy]

Now I wonder... does it need a masochistic taint to be conservative?

PeAcE

[Dr Maturin]

Originally Posted by Harrdy

Now I wonder... does it need a masochistic taint to be conservative?

A European "conservative," no. American? Definitely. We have to know about torture and all that good stuff, after all.