You are obviously posting this to try and throw back my words at me about DS9,
made several years ago, being without any new vision behind it. Because that's
all you're really capable of, trying to come up with new cheap shots.

My message at the time dealt specifically with a context which you ignore: TNG
was created by Gene Roddenberry (with some considerable help from David
Gerrold); those who followed then took those elements and repackaged them into
DS9 without actually *inventing* much: it was all made by someone else with a
vision (Roddenberry, who also had the original ST vision).

It was a new show, but not a new vision, because that vision was created before
then, by others. Hence, my comments at that time.

In this case, the person who created the original vision of the Babylon 5
universe (which would be me) is still alive.

That's why the context in such a discussion is everything; the single message
from me out of the context of the whole discussion results in missing the
entire point: my feeling at that time that those making DS9 didn't bring much
new to that show that was not created by others, who were no longer alive.

And by the way, if you're going to steal my words, and put them in your message
(while twisting the context) and pretend that they're your own, that's called
plagiarism.

Why don't you just give it a rest, Cronan? And by the way, why don't you post
your real name some time? You sit there and snipe from the shadows constantly,
attacking me and others in this forum, many of whose names are known...it takes
a certain kind of coward to do this kind of crap from behind the safety of
anonymity. If you feel so strongly about your opinions, which you shove around
as if they mattered, then you should be prepared to stand behind them. You
search out my posts by my name and twist them around, why not give us the same
luxury by giving us your real name?

Either you believe in the rightness of your opinions, in which case you should
have no problem standing behind them, or you do not, in which case you are a
coward. Which is it?

jms

From: (jmsatb5@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com

Another flaw in this argument -- other than the fact that Cronan totally misses
the point of the entire original message of mine he took as his own and
misappropriated, because it is in his vested INTERESTS to miss the point -- is
that in point of fact, Crusade is going to cost MORE than B5. DS9 was planned
to cost less than TNG going in, that was one of the points at hand (whether or
not it actually did cost less, I don't know, but that was the apparent intent).

The first year budget on Crusade is substantially more than for B5's last
season, and all the previous seasons (and we're going back to a 7 day shooting
schedule), because in this case we're going to a lot of new alien worlds and
locations, and that costs more. So the premise of doing another show because
it wiil cost less is invalid on the face of it.

Not that matters to Cronan, because nothing matters to Cronan other than Cronan
and his obsession with riding this show and looking for any possible
opportunity to rag on it, me, and those who enjoy it.

It's getting old, Cronan (or whatever your real name is). I don't know what
your problem is, but get over it.

jms

From: (jmsatb5@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com

There is no point in replying further to you, Cronan, because the replies would
mean nothing to you because you don't care about the content of the replies.
You say that you're here as a fan of the show, but in fact in the unmoderated
group you've been ragging on B5 and its fans and jumping in with Holland and
Theron and Ford and the rest of the dysfunctional gang over there for a long
time before you decided to stick your snout in here.

You don't care about a reasoned discussion, you don't want a reasoned
discussion, you're here simply to troll, to get a rise out of people, myself
included.

Since you found it amusing to call up my own post, I decided to pull out your
public replies from the unmoderated group concerning all this. Do we see here
the comments of someone generally concerned abou the show? Or do we see here
someone who is enjoying getting a rise out of people, someone who is doing this
only to cause upset?

I quote (the non-bracketed comments are your own words:
*********
>But look at all the willing little fishes, with their open gulping mouths!

Silly boy.

>Personally, I would have avoided introducing any "new" words of my own into
>JMS', just to keep it purer, for a stronger backlash when the critics come
>snarling along behind. But that's just me, and you do P&SC better than I
>ever could.

If I didn't do Cronan and you didn't do Infinity then we'd have serious
problems, wouldn't we.

>But look at all the willing little fishes, with their open gulping
mouths!

You people are out to embarass me.

> ...why no AFT-S cross, you poop? Was it something I said? ;-)

Well this wasn't the kind of thing that you usually goes to AFT-S...
it is funnier than I'd hoped, BTW.

*********

You think it's funny. You enjoy that your comments get these sorts of
reactions from the "little fishes." You say you're being quite open here about
who you are, that it has nothing to do with your comments...and then you say
that if you "didn't DO Cronan" you'd have serious problems. Hardly the sort of
thing one says about one's own name now is it? I find that a very interesting
statement, and a telling contradiction.

A fan of the show? No. A troll? Yes.

And I have far more interesting things to do with my life than deal with
trolls. Go find another target, Cronan. I'm not buying, and I'm not playing.

jms

From: (jmsatb5@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com