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    From: (Jms at B5)
 Subject: Re: And So It Begins...
    Date: 6/2/2003 12:25:00 AM  

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>>Well, the US has imprisonment without trial and without
>>access to legal representation.
> Generally, NO, this is not the case. The US has this ONLY in cases of
>Immigration law.

Flat-out not true. US citizen Jose Padilla (a lowlife but a citizen
nonetheless) has had to fight for access to legal counsel, and according to
reports there are at least two or three other US citizens being held in similar


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